I must interject here that I've discovered it is a rare person who is willing to offer advice. We are very grateful and feel very blessed to have a few people who we know that we can safely trust with our parenting questions. At the same time, we recognize a distinct lack of willingness for people to offer parenting tips. I'm not sure whether or not there are time constraints or general fear attached to the giving of advice these days, but it is a huge pity and loss of sound counsel which will result in the next generation suffering in terms of wisdom. Including our own kids.
I guess in some senses I should not speculate too hard on why it is that experienced mothers aren't offering as much advice/insight when they are in possession of it. Everyone has their reasons, I assume. I also guess that I should be grateful there are parenting books to help the younger, less experienced parent, figuring things out in the privacy of their own home and on their own time.
At least there are books (right?) and one such (new) book is Give Them Grace: Dazzling Your Kids with the Love of Jesus which comes to us courtesy of Crossway Books. I had(/have?) mixed feelings about this book, in part because I wish I were having a face-to-face conversation with Fitzpatrick so that I could ask more questions. You can't really question a book, except for on a blog, and then you risk misrepresenting the author's intentions in a rather public way. Also, Fitzpatrick is writing this book as a now-grandparent who is done raising her own kids. She confesses that the method of parenting which she presents in this book was not practiced on her own children. She was more "law oriented" with her own kids (who are all now successful adults and Christians in their own right) but now that she has grandkids she is more "grace oriented" which I kind of find eyebrow raising and amusing. (Aren't grandparents typically more fond of grace?!) I should say straight up that the book is divided into two sections which I will generalize into branding "The Grace Section" and "The Law Section." I will also tell you that I'm more law-oriented and since she opened the book with The Grace Section I had a hard time getting into it. She does, however, balance out and includes the following quote in the book:
One can be addicted to either lawlessness or lawfulness. Theologically there is no difference since both break relationship with God, the giver. - Gerhard O. Forde
The general idea behind Give Them Grace is that we should parent the Gospel message to our kids. If you want them to love God and follow after Him, you must act as His representative and teach them who He is and how much He loves them through your own actions, rules, speech, etc. Fitzpatrick (and her daughter, Jessica Thompson) would say that you should emulate the love of God to your children. You do this by teaching that He has already paid the price of sin so that they can come to Him, understanding that they cannot be "good" in their own right but can rely on Him to help them learn obedience. This then would be proper parenting. In sending this message to your kids, you are also confessing your own sins and deficiencies (if you have any, that is - ha!) and they see you also relying on the grace of Jesus Christ. In all of this I cannot disagree. It definitely feels like a message that must be ingested to some extent and certainly does not come naturally. (Why? Because we do not live out the gospel message before all men all that easily.) It is true that without the help and saving grace of Jesus Christ we do not really have a chance at "success" in any area of life.
Fitzpatrick does speak directly to the parents attempting to manage the outward behavior of the children and directs the parent reader to look towards the child's heart. (This message would be familiar in a Shepherding Your Child's Heart sort of way.) She does not deny that management must be done - particular when it comes to small children. You want them to be safe. You need them to follow instructions. They need to learn to respect and obey authority figures (i.e., teachers, policemen, aunts and uncles included.) Yes, managing children is something every parent is called to do and this does sometime deal with just the outward behavior. ("Chew with your mouth closed." "Lift the toilet lid." "Close the toilet lid." "Say 'please'") She would just encourage the parent to recognize that chewing with one's mouth open is not a sin and when a child is deliberately disobedient you have a chance to teach them that Jesus' death on the cross already paid the debt for sin that they now owe and that He can help them to truly be obedient with a happy heart. (I'm paraphrasing a great deal here. I am also assuming that chewing with one's mouth open is not, in and of itself, a sin. I jest. Sort of.)
As I said, this is a book to ingest and I hardly feel qualified to be reviewing it. (Did I mention that my kids are only 0, 2 and 4?) I'm merely qualified to read this book and think about it! And I'm doing that. I'm thinking about it and we're talking about it around these parts.
One thing I rather appreciated "hearing" her say was that we cannot rely on our parenting skills or style to cause our children to want to follow after God. What we say and do, ultimately, does not dictate whether or not they will place their trust in God. Yes, we do have a responsibility and we should not ignore it, allowing our children run amuck and sigh, "Well, it's all in God's hands." But nor should we place a great emphasis on what we have done to ensure obedience.
"Our idolatry is a symptom of a deeper problem: unbelief. We raise our kids' success and our parenting techniques to the status of godhood because of our unbelief. We simply don't believe that God is good enough to entrust with our children's souls or that He's wise enough to know what will make us ultimately happy and satisfied. We have far too high a view of our ability to shape our children and far too low a view of God's love and trustworthiness. So we multiply techniques and try to control the outcome. We subconsciously hope that by our "righteousness," we will obligate God to make everything turn out the way we want. . . . Idolatry, like all sin, is devastating to the soul. It cuts us off from the comforts of grace, the peace of conscious, and the joy that is to be our strength." (page 57)
At the same time, I wrestle with this attitude that says (to me): "Regardless of whether or not you are faithful and obedient, God may very well choose not to reward that with a child who also believes in Him." Covenantally speaking, I believe that God will be faithful and that my children's children will believe. Then again, if I am perfectly willing to accept the goodness of God, must I also not be willing to accept undesirable outcomes as well? (Job 2:10) He is God. He is good. He knows better than I do or ever will. Regardless, obedience on my part is required. I must faithfully teach my children the gospel and so I have great sympathies for this book and appreciate the encouragement and direction it offers. It just feels like a lot of work somehow. I didn't think having children was supposed to be so much work! (Grin.)
THIS CONTEST IS NOW CLOSED. THE WINNERS (as selected by Random.org) are #9 - Melissa @ Breath of Life and #22 - Rebecca
Thank you (I think) to Crossway Books for sending me a copy.
24 comments:
Looks like a great book. Put me down for the giveaway please.
Looks wonderful. Please include me!
I am also in the midst of parenting books! Thank you for the recommendation...it will definitely be something to think about!
Balance...so hard!
As for people not offering advice, I wonder if it is because we ALL (well, I do anyway...as do many of my friends) feel so inadequate in parenting in a godly way? Because I fail each day? Because we question if what we are doing is right...even if it seems right...
Did I share this with you before? I was once told that my responsibility is to be a godly parent. It isn't exactly up to me to raise godly children bc that is out of our hands and up to the child making the choice...but every bit of my behavior can influence...
I get nervous when folks start talking about parenting and grace. I see grace translated as undisciplined. I think there's entirely too much "grace" going around in parenting these days. I'm much more of a "law" parent. We have rules: obey the rules equals blessing, disobey the rules equals discipline. I'm not sure how grace enters into that equation. Anyway, I'll move off my soapbox and say this book sounds interesting.
Hmm...I want to ingest this, digest this, chew on it awhile. This sounds so interesting.
Yes, please enter me!
(I love your comment -- "I jest. I think.") Made me smile!
Interesting. . .I have this book sitting in a pile to read and review as well, and I'm not very excited about it. . .
I recently read "Parenting by the Book" you know, and it was THE BEST parenting book ever (smile) so I'm not excited to read one that I fear will be liberally sprinkled with the very 'progressive psychological babble' I was just warned against. tee, hee
I fear it will be a case of her raising her kids well, then listening to all the junk so pervasive in our culture and thinking she could have gotten the same results with a more 'graceful/permissive' style. If it ain't broke, don't fix it!
As to the lack of people sharing their advice, I think there are a couple generations who didn't have good experiences so don't know what to offer, and the generation ahead of them got tired of offering advice and being scorned in favor of "the experts" and now they are quietly dying.
Scratch my name off the giveaway ticket, I'm trying to muster up an open mind to read the copy I have :) but I just had to comment on this review!
I greatly appreciate the wisdom of our pastor who has raised three daughters who love the Lord and are very grounded. Not easy when you are in the lime light as a pastor and come from a very strict fundamentalist background like he did. His advice is more toward grace based when the circumstances are appropriate because of how God parents us. (Obviously, still with discipline.) Interesting thoughts to ponder. And lots of prayers to be said for our children. :)
When you say you don't find experienced mothers offering advice on raising kids, do you mean that when you ask them, they don't have answers for you? Or are you talking generally as in everyday conversations or blogs or books? I'm a little confused, as I see books and blog posts abounding.
OTOH, in everyday life, in my experience, not much can get people all touchy and prickly than giving them the merest hint about parenting.
I think in everyday life most moms would answer direct questions ("How would you handle this situation?" "Did your kid ever do such-and-such and what did you do?" etc.) But to just interject our opinions randomly seems like we're being opinionated busybodies.
Plus sometimes we're aware of our own shortcomings and failures and feel like we don't have any advice except on what not to do.
No one feels like an expert just because they've raised kids, or at least few do -- most of us feel that if they turn out right it's only by the grace of God.
I've only read a bit of Fitzpatrick -- one friend reads her a lot and I've read a couple of blog posts she has linked to her. I'm not settled in my opinion yet. I do think we have to teach and model grace, but sometimes the"law" is what makes us feel out need of grace.
That said, don't enter me for the book -- I have too much else stacked up now and it might better suit someone who is in the thick of parenting than someone like me nearing the end.
This one has been on my wish list...so please include me!
I would be very interested in reading this. I have a 4 and 3 year old and a 5 month old, and some days (most days?) I feel like I'm making it up as I go along.
Sarah
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Sounds like something I might need to read. Count me in!
Hmmm, I surely wasn't lacking in parenting advice- try hanging in conservative Christian circles and going back to your engineering job after having a baby. :)
Most importantly, I found I have to learn WHICH Christians to listen to- people who have housekeeping and children/personality styles similar to mine. (Twins are a plus.) Some people prefer more flexibility than I do- some less. Some people have more defined male/female roles- some less. Some people have different views on finances.
While I was pregnant, four people in my aisle at work had children graduate from high school. I've observed their kids over the last 5+ years and they've all turned out, as far as I can tell, fine. It definitely seems that most of the differences that mature, two parent families stress over are not terribly important. Now if I can only model how to love God- oldest son just informed me he loves cookies more than God this afternoon.
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This sounds like a really interesting read ~ please enter me
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I think this sounds like a very interesting read. Thank you for the review. I would love to read this.
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I'd love to read this. My husband and I have been discussing grace vs. law quite a bit lately. Thanks for the giveaway!
True confessions: I am one who is hesitant to offer advice and I think there are a couple of reasons why. For one, my memory is bad. Those days when my babies were babies passed by in a blur, a virtual whirlwind, and I honestly can't remember what worked or what didn't; I just know I survived, and then only barely! :) Interestingly enough, I think I probably would have been more apt to dispense all sorts of advice THEN than I would NOW which leads me to my next justification/reason/rationalization...
The older I get, and the older my kids get, the more I realize how many mistakes I made and how many things I did wrong, at least in terms of what the prevailing standard of a good parent is/was. In other words, I should have messed up my kids royally and the only reason I didn't is because of the Lord's mercy and grace.
Anyway, I just ordered two copies of this book, one for me and one to give as a gift to a dear friend expecting her first. May we both--she at the beginning of her parenting and me hurtling toward the final climb--learn to be gracious even as we have been granted grace. Yes, there must be discipline but oh how we need the grace. The Lord is so good!
Sounds like a book my daughter would love to read - with 3 girls 3 and under!!
Susan
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I would really like to win this book!
jesslburke@hotmail.com
Yes, please. My brain doesn't feel up to the task of thought-wrestling, but I'd try.
Thank you so much for the chance to win this. This sounds like a great book. I would enjoy reading this book. Thanks again.
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Sounds like a great book. Please enter me for the giveaway.
A woman who I really respect says that this is the best book on parenting she's ever read (her kids are now college and post-college). I bought it for my expecting SIL and am interested in hearing what she thinks.
Interesting. I just wrote a post on my blog about this very book. http://pealsofprice.blogspot.com/2011/06/give-them-grace.html
I just went back and read my thoughts on the book and I point blank say that I don't agree with everything, but that it has a incredible point to make. I'm on my second batch of kids. First three are well adjusted teens and the second batch a set of 7 year old twins we adopted in the last year.
I was at a loss to know how to present Jesus to the twins when they were not raised in their formative years in a home that even knew Him. I could tell them the stories and sing them the songs, but they were missing a huge foundation.... and you are right, it's a ton of work, but I believe that in the end it will transform us as well, because we cannot give them the gospel if we have not done our study and have an ongoing and productive relationship with Jesus. It will push us.
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